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Wiki.png Welcome to the Jak and Daxter Wiki, Technobliterator!

Welcome to the Jak and Daxter Wiki, and thank you for your contributions! There's a lot to do around here, so we hope you'll stay with us and make many more improvements.

We're really happy to have you here, and look forward to contributing with you!
—Signed Tim H, Jak Himself, and Technobliterator.

Navbox[edit source]

Played around with it a bit, how's this? http://pasteboard.co/h6dRT77.png Originally, I just had the logo in the center without the text, but then Tim suggested that we use the FF wiki's approach and put the image on the left with a plaintext link in the center. Personally I could go with either. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 22:44, May 24, 2014 (UTC)

The thing with that approach is that the logo there uses text. If image used on the left is a text image, it's basically repeating the same text in two different fonts. How I would do it; have the logo image in the middle (if you don't want to add font), and have an image to the left (170x30 px) about something from the game's coverart. In this instance, it could be a closeup on Jak and Daxter's faces from the Jak 3 boxart? Or some other Jak 3-related art.--Admin Technobliterator TC 09:57, May 25, 2014 (UTC)

Re: Scribunto[edit source]

Hey, there! Yeah, I've heard of Lua before. It looks very interesting indeed. I believe Tim and I have a "template overhaul" project planned after we finish the primary task of rewriting articles and reorganizing/deleting/replacing images, at which point I'd definitely consider jumping into Lua. As you said, it's much faster being on the server side and I think it's a more straightforward/modern approach to templating. Thing is though, the current templates we have are pretty, erm, complex as far as functionality goes so rewriting all of it in Lua would be quite the task. We always have the Jak and Daxter Beta Wiki (you're an admin on it, I believe) so we can demo the templates there and move over to Scribunto when everything's ready (as per usual). Although admittedly I hardly have time for the current projects at hand so it may be a pretty drawn-out process unless you're up for handling the bulk of the work. Maybe when we're all on Steam again we can all talk it over. And don't worry about your inactivity here, I recently took a pretty extended leave of absence, myself. Busy days, busy days. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 01:14, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

And to answer your question, I have very little experience with the actual extension, but I've taken a look at it, it's basically the same thing as many, many other scripting languages so I should be pretty quick to pick it up when and if we start using it. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 01:22, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Ah, I see, I figured you'd probably know at least a little :p I know that the ones we have are complex, though you can rest easy knowing that you won't need to rewrite Navbox yourself, we can just import that one I'll be using on the FFWiki anyway. I'm up for doing stuff and helping you out, of course, it'd feel more like I'm actually helping here :) And I agree, next time we get on Steam we can have a proper discussion.--Admin Technobliterator TC 15:49, October 9, 2014 (UTC)

Re[edit source]

About the message on Tim's wall, I believe you can install Scribunto on the Jak and Daxter Beta Wiki as you're an admin on it (and I just made you a bcat in case that's what it required). You're free to go on that one, and if you can get it started I'll jump in as well. Regarding the request for adminiship thing, while images are useful, anyone with an emulator and/or decent screen-capture device can get really good images, same could be said for someone with a book and a scanner or someone who's good at 3D modelling/ripping, doesn't necessarily mean they're admin material (it would mean they're UotM material though). As for your suggestion for the fanon thing — done. :) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 01:24, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Ooooh, awesome. I can get on that soon as Module:Navbox is finished, then. Probably on the FFWiki first. And I see what you mean about filespace. Also, yay! :p Hope to speak again soon.--Admin Technobliterator TC 09:58, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Tooltip template[edit source]

That's a pretty interesting implementation. I've actually wanted to use ReferencePopups for a long time now, which is pretty similar to yours. My main concern with that would be the J&D:VERIFY guideline, making sure that such consistency remains in-tact. Wikipedia has been using the ReferencePopup for quite some time, too. As for work on the wiki, the biggest elephant in the room is all of the unfinished article rewrites. If you want, you could start writing articles. I understand if that's not your forte, though. For about a year the only one who has actually been writing articles (save for racetracks/data-dumps) has been me, so the prose and writing style is getting to be a little monotonous. It'd be awesome to get some variety in here. :) Feel free to tackle whatever projects you want. Looking at it now, I just remembered about rewriting the templates in Lua, so that could be something you and I could start on if you wanted. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 04:31, December 28, 2014 (UTC)

I'm fine with working on any of those at any time if you give me a shout. I don't normally rewrite articles from scratch but I can gnome around at times if I'm free. The thing with the Tooltip template, the Infobox code on the J&D already allows for tooltips, meaning that a Tooltip template can be even more useful (not that we use Tooltips currently though).--Admin Technobliterator TC 18:22, January 3, 2015 (UTC)

<S>[edit source]

Take it from a web developer, a lot of people still use <s> these days. The reason is this: proper programming would require one to use <span style="text-decoration: line-through;">bla</span>, but the thing is, proper web developers would never use a strike through in web design. The strike tag is usually only used for quick and dirty effects, especially on places like forums or comment sections where one might want to retract their previous comment while having it remain in-tact, therefore a single-letter tag serves pretty useful. So there's my explanation. My question is to you, though, why do people still use that god-awful Verdana font? ;) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 16:54, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

Verdana font is awesome! :c And I always just used this instead of <s> personally :o but yeah, typing out longass text-decoration is a chore to do.--Admin Technobliterator TC 17:26, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, the del tag... Almost forgot about that. I think some people opt for the s tag cause it's quicker to type and easier to remember, though I concur, the del tag is more syntactically correct. It's the same difference between i, s, b and then em, del, and strong. And Verdana is ooooold. It reminds me of playing on my grandma's new Windows 98 computer when I was little. xD —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 17:32, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
Hehehe. I dunno, I just think it's kinda...fancy (?)for some reason. And yep, del tag. I have no idea why they dropped support for s in HTML5, honestly... I mean, did they not think it was descriptive enough? How is "del" any more descriptive than "s" to anyone? D:--Admin Technobliterator TC 18:26, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
Well, their point is that if you want special styling, such as italics, bold, and strikes, you should do it via CSS. The reason del, strong, and em is used is because it stands for delete, strong, and emphasized (obv.) therefore it's semantic instead of descriptive. Strongly-stated text may be bold-styled today, but may be different in the future. Same for emphasized text and deleted-style text. For example, a lot of people opt to style the del element by making the text colored gray, without a line through. This gives you more flexibility than an s tag. Also, if a web crawler sees that you use emphasized text somewhere (using em) then it will factor that in for data collection, whereas if you simply use italicized text it will just assume that's part of the website's look-and-feel. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 20:19, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
Oooh, I see. Now that makes a ton of sense, interesting. I'm still a noob at web design stuff, really. I know bits, but basically everything I know is self-taught.--Admin Technobliterator TC 20:53, January 17, 2015 (UTC)
Yeah, I'm self-taught too. W3C docs work wonders. :P —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 22:37, January 17, 2015 (UTC)

User page[edit source]

I'd suggest you change your user page since you are now an admin. I've also already added your name to the list at Project:Administrators. :) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 01:36, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Change your user page as in, change the sentence in your about me section. Not change your entire user page. :P —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 01:37, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Done! ^.^ And while I do have responsibilities elsewhere, I will be doing my absolute best to edit here even more than I was now. Current projects: rewriting CSS, Daxter pages, general maintenance topics.--Admin Technobliterator TC 14:37, February 25, 2015 (UTC)
Aye aye. :) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 15:48, February 25, 2015 (UTC)

Re:Daxter characters[edit source]

Sure thing. I've made a few minor corrections, but will otherwise leave my comments below. (I'd normally do this on Steam, but since I'm in school...)

  • This one looks good, as long as you're confident there's nothing else to be added. At any rate, as I'm replaying Daxter I'll make notes and see if we can't beef this one up any further. I noticed you mentioned her attire but only talked about her blouse; I'm unfamiliar with the character, but is she wearing jeans and a waist apron too? If so, I'd put that in there. You may also want to talk about her personality and attitude toward Daxter, if it's anything to talk about. Other than that, you're right, not much to say on this one (although that can also be said for many other articles).
Captain Rupertikjakmos
  • The lead starts with "Captain Ximon Rupertikjakmos", but the title of the page is just "Captain Rupertikjakmos". Can you verify that Ximon is indeed part of his name? If so, the page should be moved to include "Ximon" in it. Other than that, looks good. Note that I removed the statement that questioned his canonicality (is that a word?) because he is canon, his name was just for comic relief.
  • Good job on this one. I like how you included that he is forgetful/apathetic (unless that was already there, but I don't think it was).
  • This one's good. Not sure his "carpal tunnel" claim was for comic relief, though. I think the wordage "claims" is good enough to insinuate it may have been a false claim.

Good job. :) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 17:32, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Thank ye kindly. I'm 99% certain there is nothing to add about Barmaid other than that, no, but I can check too. I will check Ruperttikjakmos' page too, but that seemed like the most R&C Hunterj-ish page on the wiki so I wasn't sure if we should even keep it. :o--Admin Technobliterator TC 22:46, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
Ah, that is a fair point, actually. Maybe we should consider deleting it. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 22:54, February 26, 2015 (UTC)
Talk:Captain Rupertikjakmos.--Admin Technobliterator TC 23:03, February 26, 2015 (UTC)

Jak and Daxter Collection[edit source]

When you next get a moment, could you please review User:Jak Himself/sandbox 2? If it's anything that needs a lot of discussing we should probably just wait until we're both on Steam next. (Also on a totally unrelated side note, I like how consistently you do edit summaries. I don't know when I stopped doing those but now I'll try to make a habit of doing them every time. :P —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 03:08, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Rough review: It looks pretty good to me, with my main problem being a lack of PS Vita content. I can help you a bit there and tell you there's a slower framerate on TPL and, ofc, different controls for the other games, but offhand I can't remember seeing much about its development. I think the article otherwise covers everything? Everything's sourced and detailed so it looks like you've done a good job.
The edit summary to everything I do is awesome. :o I picked up the habit from a couple FFWiki users and tried it out, so anyone looking at my contribs or the RC knows what my edit is so they don't have to diff it to find out. I just save edits using the edit summary box and hitting enter also, meaning I kind of have to write a summary anyway because that's how I'm used to doing it and it's faster.--Admin Technobliterator TC 08:17, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I'll research the vita differences later. I also read that the game didn't receive nearly as good reviews for the vita as it did the PS3, so I'll probably add that in there (kinda funny, on PS3 the game received 8-9/10 while on Vita in received around 6/10...) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 17:50, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
Mhm, not really, and I can see why. Jak II and Jak 3 just aren't designed for the Vita, honestly. Jak TPL is fine, slower framerate aside it's great fun like usual, but from playing Jak II on small screen with those controls...just doesn't work. D:--Admin Technobliterator TC 17:52, February 27, 2015 (UTC)
I can imagine. Yeesh. Well anyway, should have more free time later today, will add that in there and see what Joe thinks as well. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 17:55, February 27, 2015 (UTC)

Gaming footers[edit source]

Hi, Technobliterator!

I was wondering if you had any input on this site being included in the new gaming footers? We'd love to see the Jak and Dexter community included!

Best regards,

Raylan13 (talk) 16:20, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Oh, I hadn't noticed! :o I'm perfectly fine with featuring the wiki in the footer, and with adding it to the main page here, though I'll talk it over to see what other people think. Thanks for letting us know!--Admin Technobliterator TC 17:27, September 18, 2015 (UTC)
Okay, I talked it over, and everyone else is fine with it too, so we'd happily have us included. I'm not sure whether Jak and Daxter belongs in Action/Adventure or Platformers, though - I'd be tempted to move it to Platformers instead, if Sly Cooper and Ratchet & Clank feature there, anyhow.--Admin Technobliterator TC 17:41, September 18, 2015 (UTC)
Sounds great ;) I'll move it to the Platformer section! Raylan13 (talk) 19:16, September 18, 2015 (UTC)

Jak 3 rewrite[edit source]

I read the article, it looks good. It's similar to Jak II in that it still needs some general copy editing, but that doesn't preclude it from going ahead and going live since I'll likely want to be lazy and procrastinate take my time with it to ensure quality. Although I did notice that a Haven City picture is used from Jak II with the caption "Spargus, a major setting in Jak 3." It probably needs to be changed. :P Other than that, awaiting the other as-of-yet incomplete sections. The plot section can just be copied over from the current article, like Jak II's, I'll write it in due course. Good work. :) —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 18:39, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

Wow. I didn't change the image when I copied that over? : | I did try and review before saving some of the paragraphs more this time - and I might do a bit of copyediting of my own as well - but I'll still be able to push the thing live by Wednesday or so. Thanks! ^.^--Admin Technobliterator TC 19:16, January 18, 2016 (UTC)

TLF plot[edit source]

I'll start on the TLF plot now, but if you want you can just copypaste the current plot if you want to get it out of your sandbox. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 01:24, September 19, 2016 (UTC)

It's fine, there's no rush. What might be easier is if I finish the Daxter page rewrite before it's PR'd to get that sandbox freed up and then rewrite Jak X in the meantime. Sound good to you?--Admin Technobliterator TC 09:16, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
How ever you want to do it. Admittedly it's fairly low priority, only because we're nearing the end of the TLF project as of now and I'd like to get that done ASAP so we can move on to more exciting things. The TLF page itself, like all game pages, will probably be copyedited and plot-written in one batch with the others, kind of their own project of sorts like the script pages.
Of course that could be different if you want, that's just my general approach as of now. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 19:26, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
Hmm. If that's the case, I could just push the TLF draft live now. Would it also make it easier if I push both the Daxter and the Jak X rewrites live once I've finished those pages too, if you're going to go through and copyedit all the game pages in one go?--Admin Technobliterator TC 20:21, September 19, 2016 (UTC)
Yeah, that's probably a good idea. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 00:31, September 20, 2016 (UTC)

Discord[edit source]

Hi Techno do you want to join the J&D wiki's Discord server? If you do I will post an invite link here.

We have a Discord server? :o I always found using Steam easier, but sure, I guess?--Admin Technobliterator TC 12:40, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
I made it because Steam would require me to use 5 US dollars for me to able use it to chat and well I cant buy stuff from Steam at the moment. Here is the link: https://discord.gg/GjfsK --Tumpp1357 (talk) 13:07, September 23, 2016 (UTC)
Huh, that's weird. I may join later.--Admin Technobliterator TC 13:14, September 23, 2016 (UTC)

Forum page PR[edit source]

Hey Jo! If you want I thought it'd might be appropriate for you to review User:Jak Himself/sandbox 2. It's basically a draft for a forum announcing the fact that we have a Google account. In terms of managing it, privileges/access, etc., that mostly remains new proposals by me, so it's all open for discussion. We could use Discord to discuss it, it's easier than timing everything so we all meet up for a group chat in Steam.

I've sent you the password to the account on Steam btw, if you're not busy and wanna get a better idea of what it actually is, log in and go to https://drive.google.com/drive/my-drive.—Preceding unsigned comment was added by Jak Himself (talk · contribs). Please sign your posts with ∼∼∼∼!

Hey! I think that's a pretty interesting idea. I've used a wiki-wide youtube account before, but never a google one. I also think it's an interesting idea to put the passwords on a page and delete it so only admins can access it. Great work you guys have been doing here! Sorry that I've not been active these past few months, I have been insanely busy between assignments and between updating for FFXV, barely have any spare free time. :|--Admin Technobliterator TC 22:33, December 10, 2016 (UTC)

Jak X Videos[edit source]

I found these Jak X dev videos earlier, I can post more later when I find them https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DCQIkslSXs0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZj0LtXUfoo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4M5IWFrQ2s

Thatawesomecat (talk) 00:49, April 5, 2017 (UTC)User:Thatawesomecat

Thanks! I'll see if these have much new information not already on the page.--Admin Technobliterator TC 11:18, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

Recent changes stuff[edit source]

Good catch on the budget additions. As far as I can tell you're doing web references right, but I wouldn't worry about it too much since we'll end up scrubbing the old way we used to do it anyway and replace it with simpler stuff. Same for cite game, Tim and I are already phasing it out gradually, as we go, with {{cite}}. Feel free to do whatever random replacements of it if you want, although I still need to add more to that template (I wonder if it'd be better to do it in Lua?)

Eco pick-up should probably just be moved to eco pick-ups, also iirc we don't make pluralized redirects. For the PR stuff, I'll do it when I have the energy, currently distracted with school stuff. There's not much use in PR-ing if I half-ass it, cause then I'll just have to go and PR it again when I have more energy (ditto for TAC's TLF plot rewrite). If you want me to just do a quick QC I'll see if I can do it, though I probably won't have much to do, since your writing is better than my version of a quick QC, I would imagine. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 04:50, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

I wonder if there's a way to get the bot to replace cite game with cite. If not, I can just go around and do it manually at some point. I do think it'd be better to handle the cite template in Lua, something I should get to before we move onto R&C wiki...
Moving eco pick-up to eco pick-ups would be more in-line with the naming of a lot of articles, indeed. And it's cool if you want to wait before doing PR, but you'll have a lot of pages to check once you're able to do it again!--Admin Technobliterator TC 11:18, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
Tim and I had thought about using the bot, but I'd rather personally go and change all the citations because back when we first started using them I didn't really have a good grasp of when and how they should be used. On top of that the templates work pretty differently from each other. What I'd rather do is actually go and totally remove all cite game uses and not replace them with anything, then during the revisit we can re-do the whole source thing.
Obviously this doesn't include cite web and stuff, since those are important to have to know where non-game-stuff came from. But yeah, doing the template in Lua would be great. I'll try to finish the template sometime so we can have a completed template to translate to Lua. And okay, the eco-pick ups thing can be on the to-do list then, sounds good.
And yeah, I have quite a bit of PR stuff to do anyway as it is (TPL script most importantly), and I'm okay with that. PR/CE/QC seems to be the primary previsit item on the to-do list. —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 17:17, April 5, 2017 (UTC)

Codename/doc[edit source]

Hi, as promised I've looked into the module and I've actually managed to generate the documentation. Please take a look [[User:DuckeyD/Sandbox|here]]. I've created [[Module:Codename/doc2]] instead of editing Module:Codename/doc to avoid any conflicts but feel free to move the code.

As said before it is currently unordered, but I can make it the same order as Module:Codename if you want.

Contact me if any new problems emerge (or if you want it to be sorted) through the talk page or Discord. Your fellow parrot – 14 DuckeyD 14:08, July 14, 2018 (UTC)

Thank you! Will let you know if there are any problems. I think I know how to get it to use the Module:Codename order on my own, but I'll ping you on Discord if I have any difficulty. Appreciate the help, fellow parrot!--Admin Technobliterator TC 02:01, July 15, 2018 (UTC)

Wikipedia Links?[edit source]

Good evening, Technobliterator

I'm confused about the wikipedia links. I checked The Precursor Legacy page and noticed that in the gameplay section on the first sentence, there are words that provided links to the wikipedia pages towards the game's genres. That drew my inspiration to add wikipedia links for the purpose of providing the backgrounds of the genres regarding the other games of the series. If TPL page contains these types of links, why can't the other games' page have them as well? I apologize for the mismanagement on adding links and I would like to know the reason of you fixing the links, despite the TPL page having them so I won't make the same type of mistake again.


--Pekuchos (talk) 04:44, July 30, 2018 (UTC)Pekuchos

If you notice the links to Wikipedia on the current Precursor Legacy page, they use the format [[wikipedia:link|link]]. Yours used [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/link link], which is the incorrect format, as it's much longer.
The reason I removed them rather than fix the format is just because I found them unnecessary, believing readers would be familiar with the terms. If you wish to re-add them using the correct format, feel free to do so.--Admin Technobliterator TC 14:33, July 30, 2018 (UTC)
Also note that we recommend you use the source editor rather than the visual editor so you can make sure to properly code the links (among other reasons why the source editor is better). —Jak Himself latest?cb=20161209015434 (talk·contributions) 18:09, July 30, 2018 (UTC)

Marvel's Spider-Man wiki[edit source]

Regboy blocked me for Sockpuppeting even though I only did one thing and that was message him so can you tell him to unblock me because that was not fair?

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